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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts kate valentine and Farrugia

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prepare to head her paradigms shifted in

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your truths questioned and now shattered

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reality hey Kate hi there Farrugia

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another another episode but what makes

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today so special well it's episode

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number 25 but what really makes it

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special is the animal that we are

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celebrating today okay and it is

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Groundhog's Day yes that one said puxa

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Tony Phil puxa Tony I think Phil passed

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on its buxom funny Pete at this juncture

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and Staten Island Chuck and both of them

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did not see their shadows today so that

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tells us that spring is not so far away

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good but you know something came that

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februari second has a lot more meaning

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than just the sort of folklore about our

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our little groundhogs and um meaning has

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to do yes with the quarters and the

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eighth or cross quarters of the calendar

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which are traditionally celebrated by

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all northern latitude people now we all

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know about the winter and summer

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solstices the shortest day of the year

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and the longest day of the year and the

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spring and autumnal equinoxes without

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which I guess it's the vernal equinox is

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the really whatever classy way to say it

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and those are the when the day and the

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night are equal but people in

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traditional societies also celebrate

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what is known as cross quarters now

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today is a cross quarter it is called

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here commonly groundhog

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stay in other places it's called beer

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gets day after BR get and in book and

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candle Moss is the more Christian

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iteration of the day now that is the day

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when the candles are blessed at the

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church if you so desire however in bulk

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and bearcats day have more to do with

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the beginning of the light it is the

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really the first day where it's very

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noticeable that the days have gotten

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longer it also has to do with animals as

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we were discussing before and you

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probably know something about that Kate

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right what about the animals oh yeah

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this is a heavy-duty breeding season

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this begins at all and the lamb start to

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Lam out well or they get ready to lamb

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out the cats start to have kittens uh

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the world wakens up its spring yeah the

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world doesn't love so I thought it would

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be a wonderful idea today to talk about

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folk cultures okay additional beliefs

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mom sometimes animism and how would we

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find out about shamanism well we could

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have somebody who is an excellent

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shamanistic practitioner a good idea

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before I introduce this gentleman oh I

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want to just speak to a little bit about

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my background with shamanism where I

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studied with Michael Horner and he was a

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wonderful a shamanistic practitioner and

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teacher but the gentleman who we have

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today whose name I am going to now let

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you know okay Michael Peter langevin and

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he is a a wonderful shaman I had already

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had two shamanistic experiences with

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Michael and one of them was a group

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experience he was a wonderful conductor

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of a fire

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emoni down at the monroe institute in

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favor virginia within i guess was about

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the 11 months ago what what a wonderful

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ceremony he conducted but beyond that i

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had a dream a few months ago and i have

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to be honest and tell you that michael

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is an acquaintance of mine uh i would

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probably recognize him if I saw him on

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the street he might not recognize me we

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are not close friends though I you know

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I certainly consider him a very friendly

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acquaintances but a couple of months ago

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I had a dream in which I was attending a

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seminar of some sort down in Virginia at

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that I think in Charlottesville was in

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my dream because it was a more of a town

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than up in up at the monroe institute

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and who did I share a couch with but

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Michael David and I thought this was

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passing strange because I don't really

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know him right and there was a he was

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not the protagonist of my dream uh but

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he was an important person in it well

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when I wake up the next day and thinking

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about this dream and how unusual it was

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who do I get a personal email from who

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has never sent me such an email before

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wait a minute let me guess go ahead

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Michael Peter lunch if okay so that

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being said I could not think of a better

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person to celebrate Groundhog Day 2016

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with then the same Michael Peter launch

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event who was the editor and publisher

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of magical blend magazine for 27 years

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he is the author of three wonderful

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books spiritual business secrets of the

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ancient Incas and the secrets of the

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Amazon shaymin shamans I never get I

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never get that right Shaymin shaman put

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another here we go so Michael Peter

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launch Evan welcome thank you so much

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what a great introduction it's great to

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be with both of you

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Wow I you know I was telling to farouche

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yeah I was we were talking just before

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the show and I was telling her that I

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really know very very little about

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shamanism and I was wondering if you

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could just give us a brief definition

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too in case someone in the audience also

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it doesn't know sure um I see shamanism

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as the original well one of the original

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teachings of Native people all over the

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planet before they were organized

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religion tribes small groups of people

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communicated with nature they depended

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on nature so they were in close

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communication with nature whether it was

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trees or streams or are the animals that

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they hunted and there was a connection

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there many i guess i'm not making this

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brief but anyway maybe that's okay you

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have used on mind altering substances to

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make their connections greater it was

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felt that each tribe had elders and and

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healers and shamans who would speak to

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the gods and goddesses and the spirits

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of plants in the area for the group the

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village the tribe and so there was an

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understanding of the basics of reality

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that where anyone could and did

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communicate with and was dependent on

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nature it's it's the that's not going to

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fit in a Webster's dictionary but that's

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pretty much higher that's pretty close

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yeah well the reason why I am so drawn

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to this is because in spiritual

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practices and consciousness studies it

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is the one area that gives proper

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attribution to nature in the form of

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animals and trees and all of the things

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that and the earth which we share

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together and so many other forms of

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consciousness work deal almost

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exclusively with other humans and you

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know quite frankly I like my cats just

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as well as I like the next guy I I think

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that's true anyone who has spent time

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I'm in the outback so to speak I've

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spent a lot of time in the Yucatan of

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Mexico and Guatemala and and in the ante

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mountains of Peru and in the Amazon

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jungle and when you spend time there you

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see a whole different approach to life

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where people don't have this image and

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even if they have been converted to to

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Protestantism of Catholicism they really

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don't hold this image of the male divine

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God on a cloud they see the smallest

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animal the streams the rocks all is part

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of the divine that's something that

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we've lost through organized religion

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and they it can exist it can coexist

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with organized religion in it so it so

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adds to the the breadth and depth of

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people's lives you had mentioned Michael

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Hana who was a great pioneer bringing

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this information into the United States

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and the Western world Alberto pilotto is

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another one who has who has really

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brought it into so so many people have

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studied shamanism through their

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teachings and and the next level of that

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or a different level of that is is going

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to the places where shamans still exist

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and where they still practice you could

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you can go 30 miles out of cusco peru in

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the sacred valley and in a Catholic

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Church they're doing k to enrich rules

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that were practiced before the Incan

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Empire existed this sort of stuff still

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exists in the world and we just don't

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acknowledge it much interesting what

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would that type of ritual consist of I

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was there one spring um and their their

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seasons the exact opposite of Oz right

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they were they were doing a blessing in

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the church for all of the crops and all

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of their herds so there was baby llamas

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in the church with them and they were

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guinea pigs because guinea pig is sort

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of their follow in the church with them

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there was corn there was potatoes and

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they were all been blessed and every

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village is broken into neighborhoods

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usually 12 neighborhoods and each

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neighborhood came in

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sing and singing in ancient Kaitlyn to

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to call in the gods goddesses and the

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spirits of the mountains which they call

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living beings or gods a pues and they

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called them in to bless these symbols of

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what they hope to bring forth into their

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fields and into their lives of fertility

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for the season um and the air was alive

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with an energy and a vibrancy in the

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ante mountains in the Yucatan and Mexico

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in the in the Amazon jungle people still

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today live with a closeness and an

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understanding of the divinity of nature

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of all life and their connectedness in

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it and their way of living with it that

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can be as simple as when a poor family

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kills a guinea pig for their supper they

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give thanks for it being part of their

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family and for its applying its

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supplying food to keep them alive and

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going in the evening there was just a

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sense of slowing down and gratitude that

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that I find refreshing and splendid and

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magical and these people are catch one

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yeah well the catcher people are are the

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descendants of the anchors and they live

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from Colombia into Chile into into

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Bolivia but then you have other people

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around Lake Titicaca and in the Amazon

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jungle you have a number of different

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tribal groups that still hold the old

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ways alive the fascinating thing having

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traveled in the Amazon a lot is that

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with the lumbering and with the cutting

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down of so much of the forest and people

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coming in to farm especially Derek

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especially me cause they the people who

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move in think they're bringing in the

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Western ways and after they're there for

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a couple of years they tend to take on

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the old ways of the people who live

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there before them because it's the only

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thoughts about the Amazon and its

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production of air for all of us around

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the world and the destruction of the

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Amazon is a is a

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huge problem for all of humanity not

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just for the people there but I

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understand that it's a very immediate

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problem for the people there I first

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started going down in 1972-73 and what

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has been lost in those decades between

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then and now is hot breaking just so

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many of the ancient ways and the

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temptation of civilization to the native

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peoples a lot of the old ways are just

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being left behind a lot of the shamans

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can't find good at apprentices to take

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on their ways I pass on generations of

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knowledge of herbal medicines and and of

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magical traditions and ceremonies well

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but I I can sort of think sometimes it

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would be nicer to go back to a more

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rural background sort of there's a

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certain appeal for example in the Amish

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country to somebody who lives constantly

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in an urban setting it seems very nice

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to me the only drawback would be just

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medical aid in cases I've been in my

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book the secrets of the Amazon shaman's

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I talk about taking my then just turning

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teenage children into the into the

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Amazon and being in a very isolated

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village inn and all of us becoming

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deathly ill and we're not going to be

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picked up by for a week by by someone

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with an airplane and the only hope was

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the shaman in his ways of healing were

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untraditional to say let's say the best

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uh-huh so we found ourselves licking

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toads and and witnessing shape-shifting

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to go through a healing you do you

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isolate yourself and there is a sense of

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loss and a risk being taken it's not a

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place necessarily to raise young

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children ought to think you're going to

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live like you live in New York City okay

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well it's interesting when I when I was

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in school there was a professor who was

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92 and still very much with it

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and at that time he was familiar with

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the plants in the Alps this was in

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Germany and he it was it was sort of a

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it was just it was wonderful was like a

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connection to the old ways and certainly

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I'm sure you're aware that a lot of the

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pharmaceutical companies have

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investigated sort of medical practices

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of shamans most of most of the

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pharmaceuticals came from research and a

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lot of its cameras on where they looked

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at what what was being used herbally and

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then distill them into a chemical

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formula that they could that they could

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mass-produce for people yeah and it was

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more purified more direct and undergoing

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testing and sort of getting back to the

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really active pharmacol active parts of

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those herbs but it was the originals of

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shaman ssin for example it just what

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would how did they find I always think

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who's the first guy they tried it out on

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I mean really advantage they have I know

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their mother-in-law right the advantage

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they have is that they talked to plants

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and they live huh they can hear plants

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yeah so if somebody is sick they they go

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into the forest and say what do they

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need huh and this plant basically says

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to them pick me and that one over there

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and make a tea ah and then and then they

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come back and miraculous it works huh

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and over generations these are these

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have been passed down from generation to

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generation but it's just amazing I had a

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sister who's passed now who had a brain

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tumor and when I was in the Amazon I I

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asked a shaman what could be done he

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told me I had to wait a few more days

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for things to be just right then he

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climbed up these tall trees that grew on

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the south slope of these mountains in

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the Sun only hit them a certain way this

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time of the year and he cut off some

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Bach and he scraped out some fun yes it

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grew there and he and he cooked it over

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the fire to to a brown dust and put this

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powder in a packet for me and said have

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her take this with alcohol every night

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for a month and

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it will be better and and I drive back

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and I gave it to her and when she went

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in to have a test she had totally gotten

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over her emphysema which the shaman had

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not told me what it would do and her

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brain to my had stopped growing

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wonderful well that's kind of things

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when you go down to Latin America when

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you go to Africa when you go to rural

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parts of I mean of Asia you you see that

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magic still exists in the world Harry

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Potter and Gandalf aren't really Fantasy

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characters it's just that we don't

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embrace them in the Western world well

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I've watched him we do it Michael we

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embraces do I don't need to make a

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generality like that you're absolutely

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right the left I was down in Cusco about

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not quite two years ago and when I first

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went down to Cusco and you got sick

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which is in Peru and I far from the

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sacred valley of Machu Picchu everybody

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that you had met gave you their own

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personal herbal healing the guy in the

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restaurant the guy you come from

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everyone now they say oh go to this

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pharmacy down on on fourth and Sandvine

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because it's my favorite one the Western

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ways have come in and changed the whole

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culture what do you think that's uh I

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guess medically it's for the better I

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would think but I I would think as far

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as the culture itself not so much as we

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right we're trading off we're trading

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off a definite yes this will this will

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hide your symptoms for kohls for a maybe

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yes this will help your whole body

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realign and and and and reconnect to to

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the greater so I feel there's more of a

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sense of loss but in our Western world

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where everything it has to be done now

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and we have the mcdonalds model of

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course pharmaceuticals are more

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convenient well as recently as a cait's

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experience with her german professor and

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my own grandfather who wouldn't go to a

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regular doctor who was looking for the

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cloud artist which in German means the

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the doctor of herbs and didn't want to

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go to the to the

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allopathic doctor so it's not gone for

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that long at this juncture no not at all

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not at all and I think a lot of people

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like yourselves and me and other people

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like us are realizing oh wait a second

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maybe we went too far in the medical

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profession maybe we went too far in

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pharmaceuticals maybe we need to reclaim

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our power maybe we need to do some

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research on herbal medicine I've lived

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in big cities and I've lived in the

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country right now I'm living in rural

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Virginia and and it's easy for my wife

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and I to take a walk on the stream and

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pick Mullen and dandelions and in other

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herbs and make teas that that will end a

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cough and will strengthen our blood

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people can do this kind of thing in

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their day-to-day life even been in the

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cities the pox and what have you have a

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lot of the stuff it takes intention

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again slowing down it takes making

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making that a priority in your life but

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it's very doable and it's the same thing

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with with ceremony and ritual which is

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so important in that shamanic ways that

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that if people want to they can make all

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of their life a ritual in a ceremony I

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teach classes in this and I've addressed

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it in my books that that people can make

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Washington dishes a ceremony where they

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wash away all the things that are

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holding them back in their lives and

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where they're where they're making room

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for what they want to come into their

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lives ceremony doesn't have to be

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something we go to on sunday in the

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church it began can become something

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that we make we take back and make into

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a way of living I was collecting

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recently on my blog all the different

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New Year's traditions across cultures

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that people who were my readers might be

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practicing and much of it involves

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getting rid of the old and welcoming the

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new cleaning things out and it down to

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the idea that certain people I guess it

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was near Venice one of the people that I

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know was said that they throw out the

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dishes all the old dishes not the good

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dishes but if you've gotten a dish or a

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bowl with a crack

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the year that that uh that's when you

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throw them out on the street to get rid

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of you know good riddance to old rubbish

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kind of situation and if we have the

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right intention I mean as you said so

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many of the old ways are still there and

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if we become mindful of them and have

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the right intention and have the right

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belief and desire and expectancy with we

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can revolution that is our lives on a

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daily basis we can bring the magic into

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the Western world into the major cities

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into everything we do on shamanism can

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be visited in the wiles of the Amazon

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jungle or it can be studied and brought

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in to any life anywhere at all these

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days I think everybody likes tradition

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and and ceremony and I think that's part

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still part of everyday life in even the

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most urbanized area but and it's

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comforting it makes a very nice thing

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media tries to standardize it in ways

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that um you know can be hallmark sort of

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things yeah it's kind of sold crushing

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way i I don't I you know it's true that

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that exists but I think most people have

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their own at home versions of that I

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mean hallmark will tell you you know

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it's Valentine's Day and so this is what

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you do but a lot of people will develop

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their own traditions too and and you're

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right Michael I think it's extremely

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comforting nice thing to have very much

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so it's very much a lot of people feel

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powerless when they watch the media and

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and they feel it's flu season and

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they're going to get sick or or they

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can't do anything about the was in the

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Arab countries but but if they start

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reclaiming their power on a day-to-day

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basis for me that's really what

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shamanism in Latin America gave me back

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was that I am in control of my power

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like you're 92 year old professor if I

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make the right decisions I can stay

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young and mentally alert and robust and

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and excited about life and just know

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just by living magically he definitely

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was all those things well I will say the

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following because I teach creative

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visualization sometimes too

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my clients and I find that ritual helps

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to keep their attention so that they're

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able to intend better in their creative

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visualization sessions if I give them a

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ritual to do along with it and why

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ritual and ceremony have been used

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throughout the ages because it's hard

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for some of us to just meditate or just

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see an apple and taste in our mouths or

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how we want the future to be but if we

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anchor it with actually putting crystals

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around us or starting a fire or invoking

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the spirits that we feel aligned with

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then we've we've brought in these extra

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levels to it and we've we've given it

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more power and more meaning for

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ourselves and our unconscious I have a

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question for you and this has to do with

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how you began I have some knowledge of

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this and I know for instance of the the

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profession of your father and I don't

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know if you want to go into that and

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here I I don't know how much time we

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have but I my father was my father and

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my grandfather were both funeral

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directors and embalming and bombers and

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I was supposed to take over the funeral

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home and I got to help my father early

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on in in his work and went to embalming

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and field director in school and what I

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was exposed to death in a very close way

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early on which opened my interest to the

540
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:06,380
true meaning of life which made me read

541
00:26:11,890 --> 00:26:09,710
just tons of books on metaphysics and

542
00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:11,900
spirituality and comparative religions I

543
00:26:16,930 --> 00:26:14,840
studied witchcraft with Laurie Cabot in

544
00:26:19,150 --> 00:26:16,940
Salem Massachusetts Tuesday head witch

545
00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:19,160
of Salem at that point but when I went

546
00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:21,920
to college I had a college professor in

547
00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:24,560
Latin American politics we just returned

548
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,320
from Latin America and by the time her

549
00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:30,320
class was over I had no choice I had to

550
00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:34,520
go to Peru and I hitchhiked from Boston

551
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:36,200
to Miami in a blizzard because I didn't

552
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,870
have enough money haha and bought a

553
00:26:42,490 --> 00:26:40,880
round-trip ticket and when I landed in

554
00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:42,500
Lima I had thirty dollars in my pocket

555
00:26:45,779 --> 00:26:44,350
wow I

556
00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:45,789
promised myself I'd spend as much time

557
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:47,980
as I could and I ended up spending six

558
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:49,870
weeks there because of the the

559
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:52,630
generosity and and wonderfulness of the

560
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,590
of the Peruvian people when I first went

561
00:27:00,090 --> 00:26:58,720
to Machu Picchu had many mystical

562
00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:00,100
experiences but when I first went to

563
00:27:06,029 --> 00:27:03,460
Machu Picchu I actually believe that I

564
00:27:09,539 --> 00:27:06,039
was spoken to by the Inca gods and

565
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:09,549
goddesses and the Eddie app whose and

566
00:27:13,650 --> 00:27:11,620
they told me that I had work to do to

567
00:27:15,270 --> 00:27:13,660
bring this information forward not that

568
00:27:17,370 --> 00:27:15,280
I was the chosen one or not that I was

569
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:17,380
the only one because gosh knows there's

570
00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:18,610
a lot of people who have brought this

571
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,230
information forward in many different

572
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,440
ways and but I didn't think I was i I

573
00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:24,880
had a whole different plan for my life

574
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,340
and I argued with them and I danced all

575
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:28,960
over Machu Picchu at night because this

576
00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:31,690
was before they were gods and and guides

577
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:35,950
help yeah it was pretty amazing and at

578
00:27:40,919 --> 00:27:38,860
the end I stood up in a cave outside of

579
00:27:43,049 --> 00:27:40,929
Machu Picchu and screamed okay you have

580
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:43,059
a deal I'll do whatever you want just

581
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:45,250
just let me go back I think you got the

582
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:46,450
wrong boy because I can't even say my

583
00:27:51,899 --> 00:27:48,400
eyes right but just let me go back to

584
00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:51,909
Boston and finish up my degree and stop

585
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:53,169
my life and then I'll do whatever you

586
00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:56,710
want I ended up not only writing books

587
00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:58,750
doing many lectures doing magical blend

588
00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:00,940
magazine I adopted both of my children

589
00:28:07,169 --> 00:28:03,700
from Peru during the middle of their

590
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:07,179
Civil War I've lived in Peru many times

591
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:09,970
and spent much time there they've got

592
00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:11,890
Inca gods and goddesses and the Amazon

593
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,179
guys and goddesses have had a huge

594
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,760
effect on my life path and have enhanced

595
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:17,880
it greatly I don't see them as

596
00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:20,860
competitive with the Christian gods or

597
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,830
or any other gods I I see them as

598
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:25,919
existing in another plane of existence

599
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:30,130
and and having affected me greatly wow

600
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,770
that's some life story yes yeah well

601
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:34,240
it's only part of it I really catch the

602
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:37,450
last it for you what about Barack his

603
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,940
life I I I feel blessed beyond belief

604
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:42,159
when when you were young you had a

605
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:45,100
collection of sorts oh okay yes that's

606
00:28:52,409 --> 00:28:50,169
good ah my in in New England they used

607
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:52,419
to dig the ground when it got frozen

608
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:56,230
with with with tractors and they dig up

609
00:29:00,300 --> 00:28:58,210
often the old caskets

610
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:00,310
by mistake and scatter the bones to make

611
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:04,210
a new Grave oh uh I thought that was

612
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:07,740
pretty neat and I had a 20 empty 20

613
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:10,300
gallon aquarium in my bedroom so I took

614
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:13,150
to gathering the bones and and and

615
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:15,940
collecting them in the aquarium oh ha I

616
00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:18,850
an aquarium full of different human

617
00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:20,470
bones from different cemeteries all over

618
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:23,950
the area where we work and and I started

619
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:27,190
having just the most bizarre dreams ah I

620
00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:28,990
thought I was going crazy I couldn't go

621
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:30,400
to school I didn't know what was going

622
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:33,730
on and finally one voice step forward

623
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:35,980
and and said I speak for the bones and

624
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:40,020
his name was Phineas goodhue and Phineas

625
00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:42,850
said that it wasn't right for me to keep

626
00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:44,500
the bones above ground that they needed

627
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:46,780
to be reburied and I don't know how I

628
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:49,030
did it but somehow I got the coverage to

629
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:51,340
say I'll make a deal I'll we bury them

630
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:54,910
if you teach me the secrets that they

631
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:58,720
did know Phineas agreed to that I buried

632
00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,520
the bones and I think that's part of why

633
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:02,830
I've had such a miraculous life cuz

634
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:04,750
Phineas has reappeared to me from time

635
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:07,840
to time / month the decades and and I

636
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:10,150
think guided me quite often down this

637
00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:12,520
road not that road and over to meet this

638
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:14,230
person not that person that's a

639
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:17,650
wonderful wonderful Michael uh when that

640
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:19,870
sad day comes and you do pass from this

641
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:22,210
plane of existence would you expect to

642
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:24,910
meet Phineas I actually talked to UM

643
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,310
periodic I can all right I think working

644
00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:30,360
with the shamans I've and my wife is a

645
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:32,980
from she's written books on our Nordic

646
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:36,310
magic from Sweden and is a bit of a

647
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:38,710
witch of sorts from there I think I've

648
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:40,210
gotten much better at communicating with

649
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:42,580
spirits and in recent years I've

650
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:44,650
actually been able to call them in at

651
00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:47,020
certain times but yes I think there'll

652
00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:51,540
be a much more clearer and long-term

653
00:30:58,290 --> 00:30:54,100
conversation kidding aside without I

654
00:31:02,000 --> 00:30:58,300
have an odd question for you because i

655
00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:02,010
have had probably more than my share of

656
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:06,220
friends whose parents were Undertaker's

657
00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:10,360
and so forth and one young lady in

658
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:11,800
particular

659
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:17,440
and two others have told me that their

660
00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:22,590
fathers were astounded when present at

661
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:27,400
certain autopsies and when the person's

662
00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:31,330
skull revealed that there they didn't

663
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:34,780
have a full brain that they had a form

664
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:38,980
of sac there that where much of the

665
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:41,500
brain should have been and yet these

666
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:45,610
people lived not extremely successful

667
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:49,890
lives but normal lives in a community

668
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:52,030
and you've been through a lot of

669
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:53,710
autopsies and you've been bombed a lot

670
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:56,650
of bodies you you realize how many

671
00:32:01,740 --> 00:31:59,170
people actually a function in which

672
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:01,750
things without things and and with

673
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,330
partial things that we had no idea of

674
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:06,880
that you could function with it says I

675
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:08,770
mean the human body compensates in such

676
00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:12,850
an amazing way um that you you you

677
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:16,540
really get to see that we think we have

678
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:18,610
to be whole complete and and going

679
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:21,010
forward but we do work around our bodies

680
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:22,660
do workarounds and yes I've seen some

681
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:25,480
pretty amazing things in the autopsy

682
00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:28,750
room in the embalming tables interesting

683
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:33,790
interesting and one other subject that

684
00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:37,030
comes up in kind of a general sense is

685
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:40,660
um well we do a lot of talk about

686
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:42,970
consciousness and consciousness research

687
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:45,940
you're unsighted reality and as i said

688
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:49,900
earlier on I'm very drawn to shamanism

689
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:53,530
due to the fact that it gives a lot more

690
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:55,510
credit to the earth and the environment

691
00:33:00,540 --> 00:32:58,630
and how I personally feel that the earth

692
00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:00,550
is a living being and the Sun is a

693
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:05,140
living being but beyond that the role of

694
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:09,910
animals in say a Nordic or Germanic

695
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:13,630
tradition of also a Celtic tradition as

696
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:16,750
opposed to a South American tradition

697
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,010
where one has a totem animal but where

698
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:23,440
one may have a familiar in in the

699
00:33:27,530 --> 00:33:25,140
European tradition can you

700
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:27,540
speak to that a little bit sure and I

701
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:29,550
think there's a blending of those I mean

702
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:32,250
I think yes there's more of those two in

703
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:35,130
a separate zone as you said where with

704
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:37,950
it familiars are more European and and

705
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:41,100
your and your totem is is more native

706
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:43,680
North and South American but I think

707
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:45,990
there's I've known shamans who had

708
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:48,750
monkeys or parrots on their shoulders as

709
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:52,910
a familiar as well I think in both cases

710
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:55,710
what you have is just an understanding

711
00:34:04,010 --> 00:34:01,500
that and okay thanks if we look at after

712
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:04,020
death as a larger picture that maybe

713
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:07,590
maybe it's connected to hear much more

714
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:10,260
than we think and maybe pot of us is

715
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:12,570
already over there it's the same with

716
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:16,740
animals and trees and rocks and and and

717
00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:20,220
water places and mountains that we're in

718
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:22,620
other dimensions at the same time and

719
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,110
the shamans can see this in many cases

720
00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:27,960
and can speak to that in animals there

721
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:29,880
for bringing out the intelligence and

722
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,550
the brilliance I had horses for a while

723
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:36,000
in Northern California and I swear my

724
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:37,710
horse was smile than most of the people

725
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:41,220
I knew and I would often just go out and

726
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:43,020
sit with him I'll ride him across the

727
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,360
field and feel like a lot of the answers

728
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,280
I needed from my questions of the day

729
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,320
just kind of flowed almost

730
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:51,240
telepathically into my mind that's

731
00:34:58,100 --> 00:34:53,750
that's amazing that that is really

732
00:35:02,180 --> 00:34:58,110
something that I feel a lot of a lot of

733
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:02,190
continuity with actually and to know of

734
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:05,070
course that there's different kinds of

735
00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:07,470
intelligence and different ways of being

736
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,190
alive I often speak about the idea that

737
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:13,950
most of us think of being alive as

738
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:16,170
having to do with something about

739
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:18,650
respirating breathing either as a

740
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:23,810
aspiring a tree or a breathing animal

741
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:26,910
but there are other the idea of things

742
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,830
having consciousness on the other hand

743
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:32,040
is another way to be alive that we may

744
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:35,850
not see a rock or a crystal respirate we

745
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:38,620
may not see the planet Mars

746
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:40,630
breathe they still can have

747
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:43,540
consciousness I think you so you saw

748
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:45,370
absolutely right one of the first times

749
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:48,040
I did ayahuasca in the jungle and a

750
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:50,890
shamanic ritual I reached out my hand to

751
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:52,690
the jungle and I couldn't figure out

752
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:55,690
where I stopped and the jungle started a

753
00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:58,510
week later when I was digesting the

754
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:00,460
whole thing I realized all my life till

755
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:03,070
that point I had thought wrong I don't

756
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:05,320
stop the jungle doesn't stop we're

757
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:08,050
totally into woven in a network of life

758
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,650
and and since then I've really seen that

759
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:14,320
if you patience is a real key thing and

760
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:15,670
it's taking me most of my life to really

761
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:17,560
learn this but but if you sit with a

762
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:19,830
rock under the right circumstances and

763
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,930
during a trance there is a consciousness

764
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:24,640
there and an awareness there and a

765
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:27,670
knowledge there that it can almost come

766
00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:30,070
across in the form of language that you

767
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:34,900
can you can hear and take in that all

768
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:38,040
things have a much grander existence

769
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:41,830
than we imagined I think it's as you

770
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:44,080
said with the Sun with maz with a planet

771
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:47,310
Earth itself there's there's a kind of

772
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:51,210
sensibility a kind of knowing a kind of

773
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:55,420
living that we're not aware of a lot of

774
00:37:01,170 --> 00:36:57,610
shamanic rituals talk about the life

775
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:01,180
force of water and whether it's a lake

776
00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:04,570
or stream or river that that they are

777
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,340
living entity is not only full of

778
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:09,040
elementals but full of life force and

779
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:12,010
consciousness on their own well japanese

780
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:14,890
fellow whose name begins with an M and

781
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:18,100
it's I can't yes a mural Massimo a

782
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:20,290
mirror or something that's that measures

783
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:24,310
very close that almost but he has done a

784
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:27,640
lot of research on speaking to water and

785
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:30,130
meditating on water and sending love to

786
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:33,010
water and what happens when you are in

787
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:35,110
the presence of water and you curse or

788
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:38,050
become violent and how disruptive that

789
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:41,050
is to the water and of course we are how

790
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:42,400
much ninety-eight percent water

791
00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:45,390
ninety-six percent water so a lot a lot

792
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:51,220
yeah okay is it necessary um I guess one

793
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:52,450
of the things is

794
00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:55,270
the Western mind is that it seems

795
00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:58,540
somewhat necessary to go into a trance

796
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,660
or possibly a drug-induced State is I i

797
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:04,240
I've never felt it that should be really

798
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:08,170
necessary I think I don't even endorse

799
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:10,630
my altering substances for most people

800
00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:13,150
come on I just happen to have gone down

801
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:15,940
and dance with shamans and and felt that

802
00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:17,020
I didn't want to offend them in their

803
00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:18,579
ceremonies right so I use their

804
00:38:22,829 --> 00:38:21,160
substances and I've established when I

805
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:22,839
consider touch points in other

806
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:24,970
dimensions that I can revisit but you

807
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:28,240
can get into those all the states by

808
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:31,570
prayer you can get it into it by walking

809
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:33,670
you can get into it by singing you can

810
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:36,880
get chanting playing of drums being in

811
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:39,160
nature and just sitting quietly yoga

812
00:38:44,579 --> 00:38:42,150
yoga very much so I've used yoga myself

813
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:44,589
it's wonderful not only for saying limbo

814
00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:46,300
but for entering different states and

815
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:48,220
everybody needs to find their own way

816
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:51,670
their own threshold their own entry so

817
00:38:58,319 --> 00:38:55,300
that they can they can do that and and I

818
00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:58,329
use substances because I was trained

819
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:00,430
that way by shamans in Latin America and

820
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:02,740
they and and they've worked well for me

821
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:04,630
and I'm blessed to be able to handle

822
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:07,630
them but I I don't think that everybody

823
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:10,569
can or should and I and I don't think

824
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:13,690
trance is necessarily like meditation

825
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:16,060
people say I can't meditate well you

826
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:18,970
nobody has to meditate nobody has to go

827
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:20,770
into trance and it's something different

828
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:24,160
for everyone it's just trusting that

829
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:26,770
okay what it's just like talking to the

830
00:39:31,710 --> 00:39:28,780
dead which is kind of a leap but but

831
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:31,720
similar if people sit down and say if I

832
00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:33,790
was talking to my dead grandmother what

833
00:39:37,530 --> 00:39:35,980
might you say to me and then they start

834
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:37,540
having a conversation in their mind

835
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,250
pretty soon they'll start getting

836
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:42,880
answers that they wouldn't have imagined

837
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:44,950
or made up and then they have to ask

838
00:39:50,849 --> 00:39:47,500
themself what's going on here meditation

839
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:50,859
trance altered states communicating with

840
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:54,630
trees it all as a matter of trust and

841
00:40:02,339 --> 00:39:57,849
suspension of disbelief and suspension

842
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:02,349
of our material world limitations hmmm

843
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:05,290
interesting very interesting I actually

844
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:06,430
the shamans

845
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:09,010
do the most I mean what we consider

846
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:11,829
miracles I one time I was I was in a hut

847
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:15,190
asking a shaman to to teach me his some

848
00:40:18,809 --> 00:40:17,530
of his magic and he was pretty he didn't

849
00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:18,819
want to teach a dumb young gringo

850
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,660
anything and and a very sick fisherman

851
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:24,880
came in from the river and he looked at

852
00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:26,290
me and he looked at him and he said well

853
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:28,030
we share some of your energy to learn

854
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:29,770
and I said yes and he touched his

855
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:31,300
forehead and he touched my forehead and

856
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:33,670
I swear to this day all of a sudden I

857
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:36,190
was looking out of that man's eyes and I

858
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:38,980
understood his life and I understood

859
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:42,940
what it was like to live on the river

860
00:40:46,829 --> 00:40:45,010
and depend on fishing in you and your

861
00:40:48,569 --> 00:40:46,839
rudimentary farm and love your village

862
00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:48,579
and your people in a whole different way

863
00:40:53,309 --> 00:40:50,200
than I ever knew and I looked at him and

864
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:53,319
I could see that I look at me I could

865
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,690
see that he was looking at me trying to

866
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,480
figure out my life and my stuff after a

867
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:00,160
while the shaman text both my forehead

868
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:03,730
and we were both back to know normal and

869
00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:04,930
we hugged each other and thanked each

870
00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:07,030
other and Sean said okay you're done you

871
00:41:14,549 --> 00:41:11,079
can go now but but that kind of magic

872
00:41:17,609 --> 00:41:14,559
that extreme well what all the time well

873
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,619
one of the reasons it seems to uh to uh

874
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:19,839
you know typical Western sort of a

875
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:22,569
culture to not be believed to said it

876
00:41:27,539 --> 00:41:25,150
takes so much training and trial and

877
00:41:30,299 --> 00:41:27,549
error but what that type of person

878
00:41:33,299 --> 00:41:30,309
forgets is that to be a Western medical

879
00:41:36,059 --> 00:41:33,309
doctor takes 12 to 15 to 20 years to

880
00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:36,069
really get excellent at that medical art

881
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:38,740
it you know you're not born knowing how

882
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:43,210
to do an appendectomy and not example

883
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:46,839
yeah it really is and yet it's easier

884
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:50,500
than medicine in that if people most

885
00:41:54,809 --> 00:41:52,930
people have some early religious or

886
00:41:57,809 --> 00:41:54,819
spiritual training right if people go

887
00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:57,819
back to those roots and just deepen it a

888
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:00,490
little bit with with an intent of either

889
00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:03,190
talking to the dead or entering entering

890
00:42:08,579 --> 00:42:05,980
a trance state or communicating with the

891
00:42:10,549 --> 00:42:08,589
forest near their house or the other of

892
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:10,559
the plants in the in the park nearby

893
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,690
they will they will be amazed how

894
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,760
quickly they can start having

895
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:17,640
experiences that are beyond their normal

896
00:42:21,339 --> 00:42:19,369
experiences and then

897
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:21,349
working with those I mean I've been

898
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:22,970
blessed to have a lifetime of it but

899
00:42:28,539 --> 00:42:25,609
working with those you start building up

900
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:28,549
skills knowledge first understanding

901
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,400
that that really can just knock out the

902
00:42:37,029 --> 00:42:34,160
jams all over the place the touch that

903
00:42:39,279 --> 00:42:37,039
you speak of it sounds similar to but

904
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:39,289
not the same as Shakti pot you know

905
00:42:45,930 --> 00:42:42,230
where a an enlightened person may touch

906
00:42:49,299 --> 00:42:45,940
you and you experience an awakening I i

907
00:42:53,289 --> 00:42:49,309
I've had I've had this from from Indian

908
00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:53,299
masters and and and felt like for a week

909
00:43:00,099 --> 00:42:55,549
afterwards I was almost out of my body

910
00:43:01,809 --> 00:43:00,109
and other wiser entities were were

911
00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:01,819
looking through my eyes and guiding me

912
00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:05,150
through the world and it is similar but

913
00:43:10,210 --> 00:43:07,480
different but yes it's that say a

914
00:43:13,089 --> 00:43:10,220
transference of energy with a clear

915
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:13,099
intent but the shaman did in that case

916
00:43:18,789 --> 00:43:15,710
was use my energy to realign the sick

917
00:43:21,130 --> 00:43:18,799
fellows energies and helium so to speak

918
00:43:23,259 --> 00:43:21,140
without without depleting me and which

919
00:43:24,910 --> 00:43:23,269
Shakti part does is is open you up to a

920
00:43:28,269 --> 00:43:24,920
higher level of understanding and seeing

921
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:28,279
I think it sounds the sounds like a very

922
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:31,339
good very good description I remember

923
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:35,380
being at a yoga center and who was there

924
00:43:42,849 --> 00:43:40,400
but sun bear the western of the Native

925
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:42,859
American shaman shaman from I guess

926
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,470
Washington State I think it was and and

927
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:47,599
he unfortunately has since passed all

928
00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:49,460
those you may be in a in a better place

929
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:53,720
uh but he gave a healing to everybody

930
00:43:59,319 --> 00:43:55,430
who wanted one and he didn't touch

931
00:44:02,759 --> 00:43:59,329
people in that healing he just asked for

932
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:02,769
your name and asked for your arm

933
00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:05,089
ethnicity basically what was your ethnic

934
00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:06,619
background where did you people come

935
00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:10,220
from and with just those two things he

936
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:12,980
conferred a blessing and a healing on

937
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:15,950
people and it was very pleasant it was

938
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:18,049
very nice I didn't think anything of it

939
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:19,849
I went back to my apartment in the East

940
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:22,700
Village and what I did for the next four

941
00:44:29,979 --> 00:44:25,430
hours is run around in circles I was

942
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:29,989
unable to not run around in circles I

943
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,760
just continued to run around I had

944
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:35,400
so much energy from that healing I

945
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,890
didn't know what to do with it it was

946
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:39,900
like three o'clock in the morning before

947
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:42,690
I finally lay down and was sort of able

948
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:45,210
to get some sleep that's true people who

949
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:48,570
are toned in there was a i was working

950
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:50,970
close with the monroe institute for a

951
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:53,460
long time and there was a healer from

952
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,530
from the backwoods of Kentucky that came

953
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,260
up and I met him and he was a nice guy a

954
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,780
while after I met him I fell in the

955
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:02,280
creek sideways when I was doing

956
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:04,260
something silly and smashed up the whole

957
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:06,810
left side of my body all right best I

958
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:08,900
could I couldn't get that right again

959
00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:11,370
and i called this healer up and I said

960
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:13,230
you know do you have any advice I'm

961
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:15,150
really hurting and I just got to get

962
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,430
back to normal he said put the phone on

963
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:19,380
speaker and listen to me through the

964
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,510
next five minutes he radiated through

965
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,640
the phone and I tell you when I hung up

966
00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:25,440
the phone I was almost a hundred percent

967
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,120
better um I and he's a back way I mean I

968
00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:32,400
think he's a photographer in backwoods

969
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:34,860
of Kentucky but people can learn to tap

970
00:45:40,090 --> 00:45:37,770
in to that to that higher energy to that

971
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:40,100
divine entity to that healing energy and

972
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,530
radiated and it's it's open to anyone

973
00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:45,540
that really wants to take the time and

974
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:48,360
and give it the attention absolutely

975
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:51,330
absolutely and the way certain healings

976
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:53,670
can come forth I was in a situation

977
00:46:02,240 --> 00:45:57,810
where it was possible that i might get

978
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:02,250
sued by a family and it was really a

979
00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:04,290
crazy situation where a friend had

980
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:07,590
passed on and I was meditating on this

981
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:11,700
issue and i happen to have listened to

982
00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:13,650
perhaps the same person you're speaking

983
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:21,030
about on a video and on youtube and as I

984
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:23,670
was listening to the video and trying to

985
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:26,130
meditate with the video with the

986
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:30,240
gentleman I found that I had gotten a

987
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,200
text and the text said you know forget

988
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:36,240
all about this it was from one of the

989
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:37,950
family members just forget about it

990
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,550
we're backing off basically it and it

991
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:44,160
really is so many times we get caught up

992
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,070
in our doubts or fears i wear

993
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:49,520
is our insecurities paying the bills and

994
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:52,130
all our responsibilities if we can just

995
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:55,700
stop that and and focus on what we want

996
00:47:01,780 --> 00:46:58,970
and what we hope and and see our lives

997
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,790
is being able to be healed we can we can

998
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:03,920
make that difference and it can happen

999
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:06,950
in the weirdest way one time I had when

1000
00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:08,900
I was working on magical blend magazine

1001
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,180
in Northern California I had an infected

1002
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:13,520
toe my big toe and my right foot was

1003
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:17,270
infected and it was really bad and I

1004
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:18,950
don't usually use Western doctors but I

1005
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:20,750
couldn't fix it and I went to the west

1006
00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:23,510
and doctor and she gave me antibiotics

1007
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,950
and that didn't work I went back she

1008
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:26,720
gave me heavier antibiotics and that

1009
00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:28,370
didn't work I went back and she wanted

1010
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,870
to have me in the hospital and a drip

1011
00:47:34,690 --> 00:47:31,760
thing I said no I'm going back to Latin

1012
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:34,700
America and I went down to Latin America

1013
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:38,600
to it to an isolated village and I had

1014
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:43,550
somebody find me um a shaman off that I

1015
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:45,590
hadn't met before who didn't even speak

1016
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:48,050
English and when I met him he said oh

1017
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:50,030
yeah we can fix this but you have to buy

1018
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,720
a guinea pig so I gave him five dollars

1019
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:55,520
for a guinea pig and he held the guinea

1020
00:48:00,070 --> 00:47:58,130
pig and it wiggled all around me ah and

1021
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,080
then out of nowhere he pulled a knife

1022
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:02,720
any cuts a guinea pig open oh and i said

1023
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:06,980
my guinea oh and as he opened it up and

1024
00:48:12,250 --> 00:48:09,710
said oh yes yes it's about your feeling

1025
00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:12,260
your foundation is weak you know your

1026
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:14,180
business isn't doing so well your

1027
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,240
marriage isn't doing so well some of

1028
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:19,760
your friendships are tearing at you and

1029
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:22,310
that was all true he said and that all

1030
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:23,990
that poison went into the guinea pig and

1031
00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:26,510
he basically gave his life for your

1032
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:29,840
healing huh the next day I went to a

1033
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:32,150
local hot spring and my toe was all

1034
00:48:39,790 --> 00:48:33,530
better and it's never bothered me since

1035
00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:39,800
huh um you know there is some basis also

1036
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:43,100
I you know Western things has to be well

1037
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:45,290
that just seems too miraculous to out

1038
00:48:51,330 --> 00:48:48,280
there but yet they're coming around to

1039
00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:51,340
forming a you know in quote scientific

1040
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:54,080
understanding of that just for example

1041
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:56,810
laser therapy which just introduces

1042
00:49:03,080 --> 00:48:59,050
energy into the cell it's

1043
00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:03,090
work by heat it just changes the actual

1044
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:06,940
the photochemistry of the cell and does

1045
00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:10,570
these miraculous healings so I think

1046
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:13,780
these people were on to a basic

1047
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:16,630
understanding before they would you say

1048
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,390
almost before they understood the forces

1049
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:20,800
that they were dealing with oh I think

1050
00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:23,380
very much so i think i have i've heard

1051
00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:26,140
it said especially by a lot of magic and

1052
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:28,360
occult workers that today's magic is

1053
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:31,030
tomorrow science yeah yeah very much so

1054
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:33,250
much of what we're working with that we

1055
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:35,980
call shamanism that we call magic that

1056
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:38,380
we call energy work is really us

1057
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:42,310
intuitively generating acting things but

1058
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:44,680
but there's so much more that can be I

1059
00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:46,990
just wrote an introductory article for

1060
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:50,020
fate magazine about JB Rhine of the

1061
00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:52,390
Rhine is it to him and how he had taken

1062
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:55,590
telepathy and ESP and mediumship and

1063
00:50:02,120 --> 00:49:59,410
applied scientific research techniques

1064
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:02,130
to them and made it so that they were

1065
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:04,090
respectable in the scientific community

1066
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:07,990
he brought that mat that pot of magic

1067
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:12,400
into the 21st century and that's what's

1068
00:50:15,870 --> 00:50:13,900
happening more and more in different way

1069
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,880
we we often talk about quantum physics

1070
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:18,400
and quantum physics has explained so

1071
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,860
much of this stuff or at least hits at

1072
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:23,920
explanations for it well the problem was

1073
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:26,410
initially science was philosophy and

1074
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:28,510
then for some reason back in the Age of

1075
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:31,210
Enlightenment they definitely parted

1076
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,610
ways and each looked on the other with

1077
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:35,680
distrust and that's a shame because a

1078
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:38,140
lot of science is basically philosophy

1079
00:50:44,130 --> 00:50:41,470
and understanding and it's lost that

1080
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,140
it's moving to a place where with

1081
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:46,720
science and spirituality will come back

1082
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:49,840
together in a healthier less contentious

1083
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:53,740
way I think the world needs that not as

1084
00:50:58,170 --> 00:50:56,380
people embrace more the possibilities

1085
00:51:02,700 --> 00:50:58,180
and miracles in their everyday life I

1086
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:02,710
have a specific question for you and you

1087
00:51:07,650 --> 00:51:05,290
may not be familiar with this but I

1088
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:07,660
think that probably you may be the

1089
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:09,790
reason why I say you may not be because

1090
00:51:17,849 --> 00:51:12,930
this has mostly to do with North America

1091
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:17,859
Native American shamanism and it and

1092
00:51:22,979 --> 00:51:21,369
there's a real big resurgence with this

1093
00:51:27,569 --> 00:51:22,989
today now I have to give you a little

1094
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,579
background on this you know that it Kate

1095
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:30,160
had a different show before this one

1096
00:51:35,819 --> 00:51:32,140
which was called the Kate Valentine you

1097
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:35,829
fo sho and as and we do speak to people

1098
00:51:44,670 --> 00:51:39,640
in terms of UFOs we we have guests about

1099
00:51:47,729 --> 00:51:44,680
UFOs so frequently but recently there

1100
00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:47,739
has been there's been a book written and

1101
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:51,190
a lot of people are buzzing about owls

1102
00:51:59,819 --> 00:51:55,630
and UFOs now I know from my background

1103
00:52:03,599 --> 00:51:59,829
in shamanism of through Michael Horner

1104
00:52:06,989 --> 00:52:03,609
and other people that there is some form

1105
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:06,999
of a taboo against using what is called

1106
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,380
owl magic I that's the first question do

1107
00:52:16,799 --> 00:52:14,319
you know about that at all yes the

1108
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:16,809
second question is are you aware that

1109
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:21,460
many people who see UFOs or possible

1110
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:24,160
contact these abductees or experiencers

1111
00:52:33,499 --> 00:52:29,700
then see large versions of local animals

1112
00:52:37,380 --> 00:52:33,509
often raccoons but particularly owls and

1113
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:37,390
these owls seem larger than our humanly

1114
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,190
possible and if this really recently

1115
00:52:43,739 --> 00:52:41,440
been a book written on that and I wonder

1116
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:43,749
if you could speak to that idea at all

1117
00:52:49,950 --> 00:52:46,690
first the shower magic taboo and what

1118
00:52:52,859 --> 00:52:49,960
that's about sure the way I understand

1119
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:52,869
the owl magic Boo is just that the owls

1120
00:53:00,989 --> 00:52:56,640
have always been or have often been

1121
00:53:05,849 --> 00:53:00,999
guardians of the unknown guardians of

1122
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:05,859
the dock where grey magic becomes black

1123
00:53:11,489 --> 00:53:08,680
so therefore it was a slippery slope if

1124
00:53:14,279 --> 00:53:11,499
someone started working with our magic

1125
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:14,289
it wasn't clean like hummingbird magic

1126
00:53:20,479 --> 00:53:18,190
or are cardinal magic it was it was a

1127
00:53:24,209 --> 00:53:20,489
different focus that that made it

1128
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:24,219
dangerous for people the second pot with

1129
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:25,660
magical blend magazine and other

1130
00:53:28,620 --> 00:53:26,740
research I've done in my

1131
00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:28,630
writing over the years I've dealt with a

1132
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:31,960
lot of UFO experts and gone to a number

1133
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:34,180
of UFO conferences and spoke with a lot

1134
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,200
of people and even at one point two of

1135
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:40,000
my staff drove from Chico California

1136
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:43,090
down to San Francisco and we're coming

1137
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:45,910
back late at night and swear they saw a

1138
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:50,070
UFO and then they were almost you know

1139
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:53,050
20 miles further on the road and all

1140
00:53:57,180 --> 00:53:55,390
they had was the memory of seeing the

1141
00:54:00,240 --> 00:53:57,190
beginning of a UFO and then seeing a

1142
00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:00,250
huge owl as you described I think large

1143
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:03,640
animals especially owls I used a lot by

1144
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:07,030
the other dimensional other planetary

1145
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:10,210
beings to cloak the memories that humans

1146
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:12,490
aren't ready to fully digest on a

1147
00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:15,550
conscious level and that's why there's

1148
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:17,380
so much of that being reported by

1149
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:22,090
contactees myself yeah interesting good

1150
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:23,590
good you're good answer very good answer

1151
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:27,700
so what's next for Michael Peter London

1152
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:31,810
well uh right now I'm in Virginia which

1153
00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:33,369
is an interesting place that fate has

1154
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,840
brought me and I'm working on a

1155
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:39,040
marketing company langevin axelsson

1156
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:41,140
marketing which is promoting a number of

1157
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:44,140
good authors and and pretty amazing

1158
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,840
people who are doing good products and

1159
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:48,640
services because it's fun getting other

1160
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,320
people who are doing good stuff and

1161
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:51,520
don't know how to get their stuff out

1162
00:54:56,580 --> 00:54:54,340
there out there and I get to learn a lot

1163
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:56,590
and I don't have to always be the

1164
00:55:00,960 --> 00:54:58,810
upfront man in all of it I'm also

1165
00:55:02,550 --> 00:55:00,970
working on a book that right now is a

1166
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:02,560
working title i'm calling sacred

1167
00:55:07,410 --> 00:55:05,560
journeys which which documents a lot of

1168
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:07,420
what's happened in my life since the

1169
00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:10,980
three books that i published came out

1170
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,700
and and in general i I'm just kind of

1171
00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:17,680
addicted to adventure so and my wife is

1172
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:20,920
the same way so I imagine them after we

1173
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:23,260
spend some time here in Virginia will be

1174
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:27,400
off to climbs unknown to see what other

1175
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:29,140
what are the rocks we can turn over and

1176
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:31,450
what other learning experiences we can

1177
00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:33,340
have well it sounds like a fascinating

1178
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:36,820
journey and I for one I am certainly

1179
00:55:40,030 --> 00:55:39,010
looking forward to your upcoming book

1180
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:40,040
and

1181
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:42,650
duh so we want to thank you very much

1182
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:44,870
and what were his other books that's

1183
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:48,410
okay yes we have to give Michael it was

1184
00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:50,510
a fasten it I can't believe the hours up

1185
00:55:55,210 --> 00:55:52,520
thank you so much for being nothing oh

1186
00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:55,220
my great it was also mention that i have

1187
00:56:02,260 --> 00:55:59,480
my own blog website called good Michael

1188
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:02,270
Peter langevin calm great and that all

1189
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:03,710
of my book looks in a number of the

1190
00:56:08,110 --> 00:56:05,270
anthologies I've been in are available

1191
00:56:12,490 --> 00:56:08,120
on amazon.com under my name I and how do

1192
00:56:15,610 --> 00:56:12,500
you spell the last name LAN uh-huh GE V

1193
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:15,620
is in victory I n okay that's important

1194
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:17,540
when you get ideally because in

1195
00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:19,880
gymnastics and about and three books are

1196
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:23,020
spiritual business secrets of the

1197
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:26,900
ancient Incas and recently reissued

1198
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:28,700
because it had been sold out and there

1199
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:30,980
was a demand well it's a mess on

1200
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:32,780
shaman's is available as an ibook for

1201
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:35,180
only five dollars on amazon what a deal

1202
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:39,170
that is good that is good I i I'm

1203
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:40,910
surprised and now you're sort of into

1204
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:43,730
marketing I I think it's you know when I

1205
00:56:48,490 --> 00:56:45,230
did magical blend I learned that

1206
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:48,500
spirituality is only valid if you can

1207
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:49,640
take it under the most unexpected

1208
00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:51,890
circumstances and make it work uh-huh

1209
00:57:00,240 --> 00:56:57,380
right okay and and in truth um to pay

1210
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,250
the bills for for exotic travels to

1211
00:57:06,220 --> 00:57:02,720
Latin America and living down there for

1212
00:57:07,870 --> 00:57:06,230
a while one has to work so it's fun

1213
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:07,880
doing work that's making the world a

1214
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:10,190
better place as well then they always

1215
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:12,170
say that if you enjoy what you work you

1216
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:14,210
never work for a living that's it and

1217
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:16,250
it's true yes we then we just but then

1218
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:17,570
we're just having more fun and play

1219
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,090
anymore you sound like you having a

1220
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:22,880
great time I am well thanks so much for

1221
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:25,820
being on shattered reality podcast this

1222
00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:31,130
februari second 2016 just to finish

1223
00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:33,800
finish up here I want to do a little

1224
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:39,080
shout out to my friends who have

1225
00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:42,650
assisted me in various rituals and have

1226
00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:46,460
done and done rituals with me over the

1227
00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:48,950
years on cross quarters and quarters of

1228
00:57:59,550 --> 00:57:53,840
of the calendar so Paula Victoria

1229
00:58:02,620 --> 00:57:59,560
Pat Lauren and Taylor Murray please

1230
00:58:05,710 --> 00:58:02,630
please hear this and I'm shouting out to

1231
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:05,720
you this in bulk this groundhog stay

1232
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:08,570
this cross quarters and may your year

1233
00:58:15,610 --> 00:58:13,580
get ever lighter and Kate oh I'm sorry I

1234
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:15,620
was still thinking about the shamans and

1235
00:58:20,530 --> 00:58:18,200
well Kate how are you doing doing just

1236
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:20,540
great I'm go ahead that he didn't see a

1237
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:22,610
shadow and I am looking forward to our

1238
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:26,840
early spring and sadly enough I saw some

1239
00:58:31,690 --> 00:58:29,150
of the tulips and daffodils starting to

1240
00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:31,700
break out from the bulbs I put in so

1241
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:34,190
let's hope for a nice it too early let's

1242
00:58:40,030 --> 00:58:36,860
hope for a warm sunny spring yes well we

1243
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:40,040
hope that we hope that they I'll give

1244
00:58:45,070 --> 00:58:42,110
positive thoughts gift sending positive

1245
00:58:48,820 --> 00:58:45,080
thoughts to stay where they are and not

1246
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:48,830
come out any further okay until at least

1247
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:50,930
a month goes by I think we need at least

1248
00:58:57,610 --> 00:58:54,260
maybe five weeks probably electic duh I

1249
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:57,620
guess though it was really cool yeah

1250
00:59:02,890 --> 00:59:00,380
yeah he was he was just wonderful and I

1251
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:02,900
think we're going to be doing a dream a

1252
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:06,230
dream worker more arnessk next guest and

1253
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:08,330
as soon as I confirm that of fun are

1254
00:59:16,270 --> 00:59:12,890
related so shall we say Oh Oh goodbye

1255
00:59:18,610 --> 00:59:16,280
goodbye happy groundhog see and happy

1256
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:18,620
trails and happy spring and happy